How can France and Germany contribute to reaching the goal of European strategic autonomy? A discussion together with Anne-Marie Descôtes, French Ambassador to Germany, Bettina Cadenbach, Federal Foreign Office, Ronja Kempin, German Institute for International and Security Affairs (SWP), and Barbara Kunz, Institut Français de Relations Internationales (Ifri), Paris. Moderated by Markus Kaim, Senior Fellow (SWP). Words of welcome by Helmut K. Anheier President, Hertie School.